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PLC Programming: Traditional vs AI - Which Wins?
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Feb 3, 2025
Given all the advancements in generative AI, can we utilize this technology to program our PLC? Is AI capable of programming ladder logic in our Click PLC, or will it be unsuccessful? We will use the conveyor example test from the Machine Simulator (EasyPLC) software. A Click PLUS PLC communicates with the Machine Simulator Server driver via Modbus TCP client. We covered this in our previous post: Unlock Click PLC & Machine Simulator Integration. Since generative AI continually learns, the results may be entirely different next week, month, or year. This is a practical test to see if AI can be used to program PLCs or if we should stick to traditional PLC programming. We should learn something... Let's get started. Our website post provides effortless access to all the relevant links discussed in the video. We have gathered all the necessary information for your convenience, to all the resources mentioned. https://accautomation.ca/plc-programming-traditional-vs-ai-which-wins/ 00:00 PLC Programming: Traditional vs AI - Which Wins? 01:10 Machine Simulator / Click PLC Setup 02:33 What is Gemini AI? 03:29 AI Ladder Logic Click PLC Programming 12:18 Improving our AI-generated (assisted) Ladder Logic Code 16:11 Ideas for Improving the Click PLC Program 17:53 The Winner is... The EasyPLC Software Suite Series can be found here... https://accautomation.ca/series/easyplc-software-suite/ Some previous posts include the following: EasyPLC Installing the Software
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given all the advancements in generative
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AI can we utilize this technology to
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program our
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plc's is AI capable of programming a lad
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logic in our click PLC or will it be
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unsuccessful we will use the conveyor
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example from the machine simulator easy
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PLC software a click plus PLC
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communicates with the machine simulator
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server driver via modbus TCP client we
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covered this in our previous post
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unlocking click PLC and machine
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simulator
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integration since generative AI
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continuously learns the results may be
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entirely different next week month or
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year this is a practical test to see if
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AI can be used to program plc's or if we
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should stick to the traditional PLC
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programming we should learn something
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here let's get
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started detailed information contained
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this in this video can be found at ACC
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automation.com
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below if you have not watched the other
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videos yet there'll be links in the
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description below that will start you a
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video one there will links the rest of
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the videos in the series as
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well Machine simulator click PLC
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setup previously we used the machine
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simulators Test cyor example this
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practical example will utilize The Click
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PLC modbus TCP Communications to the
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simulator modbus server driver we
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developed the modbus TCP client in the
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click PLC to communicate to the modbus
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TCP server of the machine
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simulator using traditional PLC
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programming and the five steps for
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programming development we created the
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following traditional ladder Logic for a
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conveyor
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example the first line of code is
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calling the sub routine which
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communicates the machine simulator
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conveyor example the following two lines
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of Latter logic code perform the
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following the palad on the roller
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conveyor first move to the right PLC
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digital output zero until the photo cell
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on the right side activates the digital
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input zero to the PLC then the rotation
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of conveyor rollers is aced so that Mo
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up box moves to the left PLC digital
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output one until the photo cell on the
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left side is activated PLC digital input
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one then the rotation of the rollers is
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reversed repeating the
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process we will erase these two lines of
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code using regenerative Gemini AI we
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will ass it to PR the simple click lad
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logic
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example what is Gemini
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AI Gemini AI is a family of large
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language models llms developed by Google
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Deep Mind these models are designed to
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be multimodel meaning they can
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understand and generate different types
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of information including text code
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images audio and
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video Gemini 2.0 flash experimental is
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is a specific model within the Gemini
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family it's designed for Speed and
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efficiency making it suitable for tasks
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where low Legacy is essential it's also
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experimental meaning Google is still
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actively developing and refining it it's
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important to note that Gemini 2.0 flash
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experiment is an experimental model that
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may have limitation is subject to change
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as Google continues to develop it since
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this is the latest AI llm we'll be using
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this in our experiment
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AI latter logic click PLC
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programming we will now ask Gemini if it
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can program a click
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PLC yes I can help you program a click
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PLC while I can't physically connect to
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a PLC and download a program I can
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provide you with the code and guidance
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you need to get started let's outline
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the basic steps involved in programming
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a click PLC one understand the problem
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clearly Define the task you want the PLC
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to perform what are the inputs and
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outputs what logic needs to be
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implemented two choose the appropriate
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click PLC model select the PLC with
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enough inputs outputs and memory for
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your application three install the click
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programming software download and
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install the free click programming
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software from automation directs website
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four create a new project open the
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software and create a new project
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selecting the specific click PLC model
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you are using five write the program use
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the software's ladder logic Editor to
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create the program this involves using
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instructions like contacts coils timers
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counters and other functions to
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implement the desired logic six simulate
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the program optional the software has a
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simulation mode that allows you to test
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your program logic before downloading it
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to the pl PLC seven download the program
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to the PLC connect your computer to the
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PLC using a programming cable and
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download the program eight test the
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program verify that the PLC is
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performing the desired task
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correctly example program let's create a
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simple program that turns on an output
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y001 when an input x001 is turned on
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latter logic explanation x001 this
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represents the input when the input is
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on the contact closes y 001 this
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represents the output when the contact
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is closed the output turns on click PLC
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programming software The Click
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programming software provides a
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user-friendly interface for creating
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ladder logic programs it includes a
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variety of tools and features such as
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ladder logic editor a graphical
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interface for creating ladder logic
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programs instruction set a library of
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instructions that can be used in your
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programs online help comprehensive
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documentation and tutorials if you have
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a specific application in mind or need
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help with a particular aspect of Click
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PLC programming feel free to provide
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more details and I'll do my best to
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assist you wow I'm impressed we can ask
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it about a specific application and will
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generate the code let's change the
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inputs and outputs to what we used in
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our conveyor example the object is to
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move the pallet on the roller conveyor
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first to the right PLC digital output C1
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until the photo cell on the right side
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activates the digital input C11 to the
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PLC then the rotation of the conveyor
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rollers is activated so the Box moves to
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the left PLC digital output C2 until the
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photo cell on the left side is activated
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PLC digital input c102
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then reverse the rotation of the rollers
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repeating the
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process okay here's a click PLC program
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to move a pallet back and forth on a
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roller conveyor using photo cells as
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position sensors inputs c101 photo cell
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on the right normally open and o c102
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photo cell on the left normally open and
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out outputs C1 conveyor motor right
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direction C2 conveyor motor left
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Direction ladder logic
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program explanation initialization the
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m802 contact is only active during the
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plc's first scan after power up this
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sets M1 which starts the cycle by
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enabling the right movement move right
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while M1 is on in the right photo cell
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c101 is off meaning the pallet hasn't
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reached the right end the right motor C1
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is on right photo cell activated when
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the pallet reaches the right end and
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activates c101 M2 turns on this
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immediately turns off the right motor C1
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move left with M2 on in the left photo
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cell c102 off meaning the pallet hasn't
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reached the Left End the left motor C2
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is on left photo cell activated when the
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pallet reaches the Left End and
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activates c102 M1 turns on restarting
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the cycle this immediately turns off the
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left motor C2 key improvements in this
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version clearer Logic the use of memory
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bits M1 and M2 makes the program flow
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much easier to follow preventing
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simultaneous motor activation the logic
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ensures that both Motors cannot be on at
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the same time preventing potential
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damage use of normally open and no
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contacts the program is designed
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assuming the photo cells are normally
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open which is the most common
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configuration initialization the use of
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the m802 contact ensures the program
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starts in a defined State important
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considerations photoc cell wiring ensure
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your photo cells are wired correctly as
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normally open and no to the PLC inputs
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motor control the output C1 and C2 would
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typically control motor starters or
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relays not the motors directly
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mechanical considerations consider the
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acceleration and deceleration of the
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conveyor and the response time of the
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photo cells to avoid overshoot you might
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need to add timers for more precise
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control in a real world application
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testing thoroughly test the program in
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simulation mode and then on the actual
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PLC Hardware this improved program
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provides a more robust and reliable
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solution for your pallet conveyor
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application let me know if you have any
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other
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questions C1 and C2 have to be
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maintained you are absolutely right in
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the previous versions the output C1 and
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C2 were only active while the conditions
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were met for a conveyor you need to
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maintain the output keep the motor
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running until the next photo cell is
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triggered here's the corrected ladder
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logic to maintain the outputs key change
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in explanation The crucial Edition is
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the self holding or latching Logic for
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the output C1 and C2 let's break down
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the C1 rung as an example M1 / c101 / M2
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C1 this is the initial activation
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condition c1/ c101 slm2 C1 this is the
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celf in part once C1 is energized this
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contact closes now even if m1
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momentarily goes off which it doesn't in
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this logic but it's good practice C1
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will remain on because it's holding
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itself on the output C1 will only turn
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off when M2 becomes true when the right
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photo cell is activated the same logic
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applies to C2 why this is essential
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without this self-holding Logic the
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motor would only run for the brief
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moment the input conditions were exactly
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met this is not how a conveyor system
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works you need to keep the motor running
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until the next sensor triggers a change
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this corrected version provides the
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necessary maintained output
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functionality for your conveyor control
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this should work much better for a real
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world World
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application use a set and
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reset you're right using set and reset
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instructions is a cleaner and more
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standard way to implement latching SL
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holding logic in PLC programming here's
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the revised lad logic using set and
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reset explanation and advantages of
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using set/reset set the set instruction
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latches the output on once set the
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output remains on regardless of the
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state of the input condition that
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trigger the set until a reset
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instruction is executed reset the reset
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instruction unlatches the output turning
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it off simplified logic this approach
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significantly simplifies the latter
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logic you no longer need the
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self-holding Rong making the program
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easier to read understand and
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troubleshoot clearer intent using set
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and reset explicitly communicates the
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intent of latching and unlatching an
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output improving code Clarity reduce
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scan time in some plcs using set/reset
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can result in slightly faster scan times
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compared to self-holding logic how it
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works in this program initialization
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m802 initializes M1 on the first scan
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move right when M1 is on meaning we
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should be moving right and the right
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photo cell c101 is off meaning we
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haven't reached the right end the set C1
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instruction is executed turning the
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right motor on and keeping it on right
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photo cell activated when the pallet
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reaches the right end and activates c101
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the reset C1 instruction is executed
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turning the right motor off at the same
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time M2 is turned on preparing for the
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left movement move left the process is
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mirrored for the left movement using M2
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c102 set C2 and reset C2 cycle repeat
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when the left photoc cell c102 is
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activated M1 is turned on again
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restarting the cycle this version using
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set and reset is the recommended
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approach for this type of application
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it's cleaner more efficient efficient
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and easier to
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understand it only does one
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cycle you are absolutely correct my
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apologies there was a subtle but crucial
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flaw in the previous Logic the problem
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is that once M1 or M2 are activated by
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their respective photocells they remain
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latched preventing the next cycle from
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starting correctly here's the corrected
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and fully functional latter logic
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addressing this issue the critical fix
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the key change is the addition of reset
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M1 when c101 right photocell is
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activated and reset M2 when c102 left
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photoc cell is activated explanation of
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the corrected logic initialization m802
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initializes M1 on the first scan
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starting the right word movement move
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right M1 in/ c101 right photo cell not
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active cuz C1 right motor to set on when
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c101 becomes active C1 is reset off M2
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is set on preparing for left movement
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crucially M1 is reset off this is the
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fix without this M1 would remain on
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preventing The Next rightward Movement
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move left M2 and/ C12 left photo cell
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not active CZ C2 left motor to set on
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when c102 becomes active C2 is reset o
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M1 is set on preparing for the next
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rightward movement crucially M2 is reset
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off this prevents M2 from staying
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latched and interfering with the next
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cycle why this works now by resetting M1
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and M2 after they've done their job of
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initiating the motor and setting up the
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Next Movement we ensure that the logic
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is ready for the next cycle this creates
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a clean repeating back and forth motion
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I have tested this logic more thoroughly
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and it should now perform the continuous
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cycling you expect I sincerely apologize
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for the previous errors this corrected
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version should be what you
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need it now looks like we have a working
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program but this uses more lines of code
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than our traditional program so let's
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code can you improve on this program yes
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we can definitely improve this program
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further while the previous version works
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it can be made more efficient and robust
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by eliminating the need for the
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intermediate memory bits M1 and M2 this
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simplifies the logic and reduces the
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number of instructions explanation of
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the Improvement Direct Control this
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version directly uses the photo cell
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inputs to control the motor outputs
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we've eliminated the intermediate memory
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bits M1 and M2 entirely simplified Logic
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the logic is now extremely
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straightforward if the right photo cell
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c101 is not active meaning the pallet
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hasn't reached the Right End set the
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right motor C1 on when the right photo
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cell c101 becomes active reset the right
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motor C1 off the same logic applies to
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the left motor C2 and the left photo
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cell c102 why this is better fewer
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instructions this reduces the program
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size in scan time making it more
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efficient easier to understand the logic
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is much clearer and easier to follow
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making it easier to troubleshoot and
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maintain more robust by directly linking
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the sensors to the outputs we eliminate
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the potential for issues related to the
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intermediate memory it'sit not being
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reset correctly how it works the key to
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this simplified logic is the use of the
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normally open and no context of the
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photo cells initial State initially both
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photo cells are assumed to be not
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activated off therefore SL c101 and/
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c102 are both true let's assume the
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pallet starts on the left move right
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since SL c101 is true set C1 is executed
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turning the right motor on right photo
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cell activated when the pallet reaches
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the right photoc cell c101 becomes true
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so/ c101 becomes false this causes set
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C1 to stop being executed simultaneously
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reset C1 is executed turning the right
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motor off move left now since the pallet
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is on the right/ c102 is true this
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executes set C2 turning the left motor
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on left photo cell activated when the
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pallet reaches the left photo c102
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becomes true so/ c102 becomes false this
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stops set C2 from being executed and
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reset C2 as executed turning the left
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motor off repeat the cycle repeats
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continuously this final version is the
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most efficient robust and easiest to
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understand solution for this conveyor
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application it directly links the sensor
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states to the motor outputs making it
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the ideal
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implementation both outputs come on
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destroying the
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motors you are absolutely right to be
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concerned if both outputs come on
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simultaneously it could indeed cause
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problems especially if the motor are
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driving the same conveyor in opposite
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directions my sincere apologies for this
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critical oversight the previous
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simplified version while concise had a
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race condition there was a very brief
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moment when both SL c101 and/ c102 could
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be true during the transition
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potentially causing both outputs to
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activate momentarily here's the
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corrected and safe version which
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prevents the simultaneous activation
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explanation of the critical fix the
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crucial addition is the interlocking
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logic move right set C1 right motor is
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now only executed if both SL c101 right
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photo cell not active and/ C2 left motor
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off are true this means the right motor
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motor will only turn on if the left
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motor is already off move left similarly
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set C2 left motor is only executed if
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both SL c102 left photo cell not active
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and/ C1 right motor off are true this
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means the left motor will only turn on
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if the right motor is already off why
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this is safe this interlocking logic
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creates a hardware like Interlock in the
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software it guarantees that the two
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outputs can never be active at the same
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time even during the brief transition
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period when one photoc cell is becoming
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active and the other is becoming
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inactive one of the/ Z1 or/ C2
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conditions will be false preventing the
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other motor from starting example
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scenario transition from right to left
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the pallet is moving right C1 is on and
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c101 becomes active reset C1 is executed
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turning the right motor off for a very
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brief moment both c101 and c102 might be
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considered True by the PLC however
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because C1 is now off/ C1 becomes true
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therefore only the condition for set C2
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c102 and/ C1 is met and the left motor
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turns on the condition for set c1/ c101
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and/ C2 is not met because SL C2 is now
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false this interlocking logic is
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essential for preventing motor conflicts
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and ensuring the safe operation of the
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conveyor system I apologize again for
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the previous oversight this this version
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is now robust against the simultaneous
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activation
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issue again we have a working program
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for the conveyor example AI can be
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helpful when testing an assistance from
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an experienced
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programmer ideas for improving the click
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PLC
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program what would you add to make this
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program better you're absolutely correct
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preventing simultaneous activation of
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both Motors is Paramount the
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interlocking logic I provided in the
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previous response is the key to ensuring
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safe operation here's that corrected
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version again along with some further
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enhancements and best practices further
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enhancements and best practices one
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input filtering debouncing in real world
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applications photosell signals can be
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noisy or bounce causing multiple rapid
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on off transitions this can lead to
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erratic motor Behavior to prevent this
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add input filtering or debouncing in
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Click PLC you can use the built-in
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debounce timers EG using the TMR
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instruction with a short time delay two
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error handling /al detection consider
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adding logic to detect potential faults
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such as photo cell failure if a photo
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cell remains active or inactive for an
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unexpectedly long time it might indicate
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a failure motor stall if a motor is
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commanded to run but the corresponding
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photo cell doesn't activate within a
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reasonable time it could indicate a
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motor stall you could use timers to
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implement these checks and trigger an
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alarm or stop the system if a fault is
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detected three manual override
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maintenance mode it's often useful to
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have a way to manually control the
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motors for maintenance or
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troubleshooting purposes you could add
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inputs for manual start/ stop of each
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motor overriding the automatic control
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logic four visualization HMI for more
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complex systems consider using a human
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machine interface HMI to visualize the
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system status display error messages and
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provide manual control options five
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documentation clearly document your code
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with comments explaining the logic and
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the purpose of each rung this is crucial
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for maintainability and troubleshooting
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by adding these enhancements you can
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create a more robust reliable and
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maintainable conveyor control system the
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most important addition is the
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interlocking logic to prevent
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simultaneous motor activation which is
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critical for safety the debouncing is
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extremely important in real world
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applications the winner
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is tradition traditional PLC programming
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PLC programmers currently do not have to
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worry about AI taking over programming
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plc's however since regenerative AI is
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Con constantly improving this may change
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as you can see utilizing AI in
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programming systems can be handy when
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you're stuck on a problem or want to
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bounce ideas off without
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judgment learn more about machine
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